5th Seal - Disturbing?

Rev 6:  9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, “How long,  Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants and brothers and sisters were killed just as they had been.

Do all true believers have to be killed/be dead?  How does that gel with a rapture of any kind?

I think you can argue that the 1st 4 seals may have already taken place or are in progress.  This one, obviously, has not.

What are your opinions on this?  I am confused.

Salvation and what we do - rethinking things

I will elaborate more in a future post, but for now I am coming to the conclusion that salvation truly is a matter of grace by God and there's nothing you can do about it either way.  If you are chosen, you will feel a tugging towards God and to want to do what is "right".  If you are not, you will have no "conscious" as it were regarding many thoughts of how to behave.  If you are chosen, you will internally be drawn to keep the ten commandments, for instance.  With that mindset, the next verse reads a little differently than it may have before:


1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 


You could read this as you HAVE to keep the commandments to receive God's love.  I think it may read differently.  It think what it is saying is that you can KNOW you are a child of God if you keep His commandments.  If you are chosen, you will feel that internal pull to do what is right, as these things are written on your heart.


I am really starting to doubt anything we do mattering regarding salvation.  It is a gift of grace, so that no one can boast.  The other thing in play is that if you think ANYTHING you do is helping you get to heaven, you are nullifying what Christ did on the cross.  I think this is a very dangerous line to cross.  "oh look, I do x,y,z, unlike those other people who obviously aren't saved".  I think there are tons of verses to discount this kind of logic.


As I said, I will post scriptural references to all of this when I have more time, but I think it may very well be folly to think you can do anything to save yourself.  If you are chosen, it has already been done for you by Jesus.  The rest may just be a deception to think it is in your control, which it never may have been.


John

The Rapture - Pre vs Mid vs Post - Does it even matter which is correct?

In short, YES, it matters!

Up front I will say that I believe there may be more than one rapture, based on the various "versions" of how it sounds in the different pertinent parts of the scriptures.  That said, I have to think that there HAS to be a pre-tribulation rapture.

Why?

1)  The antichrist can't have millions of people running around exposing what he is doing and still be able to deceive the entire world.  If people were just there to say, "look, right here in The Bible it says...", he would have much less of an effect, I think.  That said, the FAR more important reasons are:

2)  Those who have been forgiven have no place in judgment - they have passed from judgment into life.  To say otherwise is to make His forgiveness null and void.

3)  To have judgment fall on those that are cleansed would make God's judgment unjust - which isn't possible.

The true people of God simply can not be forced to undergo the judgment that is about to come upon the earth - to do so undermines what Christ did and makes God unjust.

The world is spiraling into an ever-increasing descent into chaos.  The time of the end is very near at this point.  Pray for yourself and those around you so you may escape the upcoming wrath.

Big Question #2 - Hell...I don't understand

I think I can leave out most of the scriptural quotes - everyone knows many of them.  Shame and everlasting contempt - everlasting punishment - everlasting destruction - eternal fire.


The point is, it is ETERNAL.  Yet in Revelations 20:14 you have: Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.


Is there a question as to which is it?  Is it eternal or does it get destroyed someday?


Here's my bigger question:  So if you are in hell being tortured/punished...who is doing the torturing and punishing?  The obvious answer of "Satan and his demons" is a tempting one, but then again, aren't they going to be thrown in the lake of fire someday?  And when/if they do torture you at all, how unfair is that?  THEY get to enjoy torturing YOU?  THEY are part of the reason you are there!  They deserve MORE punishment, if anything, not less!


I've been confused about this whole part of Hell.  I mean, they would escape punishment just to torture you?  I don't get it.

Follow-up on the Sabbath

So HOW to keep the Sabbath may actually be easier than WHEN to keep the Sabbath.  I think the HOW is to not do worldly things and to spend the entire day (or as much of it as you can) thinking about and praying to God.  Don't just sit around watching TV, go to a baseball game, etc.  Spending money seems to be out of the question as well based on the OT text (outside of donations to your church).

So WHEN is my real question.  Maybe this one is easy as well.  I'd like some confirmation from others who are thinking about this subject, though.  In my mind the Sabbath is, as it was in the beginning, on our Saturday.  My question is, WHEN on Saturday?  As of now, I think it should be the sundown on Friday to the sundown on Saturday, but I'm not completely convinced that is correct, either.  Maybe the midnight to midnight "true" Saturday?

I'd really like to hear other viewpoints on this.  As I said in the previous post, as death was a punishment for not keeping this commandment, it must be pretty important to God, and I want to do my best to keep it correctly.

BIG QUESTION #1 - Who gets to Heaven? How "narrow" is the gate?

You may need a few days to fully get through this post - many rabbit holes to go down.

SO!  Just how narrow is the gate to the Kingdom of Heaven?

We'll start with the basics.  "Struggle to enter the Kingdom through the narrow door.  The road to hell is wide with plenty of room and most go that way.  But the door is small and the path is hard and narrow that leads to life and only a few find it." (Mt 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-24).

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”  (Eph 2:8-9)
So why do we have to struggle?  Satan believes/has faith in Jesus, so is he saved?  Of course not, so there has to be more to it than that.

“And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.” (Heb 3:18-19)
So faith and obedience go together.  Here's where it gets tricky.

There are plenty of places that Jesus says "keep my commandments" - one if which is 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
I think it's easy to show that you are to keep MORE than the original 10 (also "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind" among others), but it is obvious the 10 commandments are for sure in the list you are to keep.

Many of these 10 commandments, I think, are not hard to keep.  I think the easiest to misstep on (perhaps even unwittingly) is keeping the Sabbath.
I was originally planning on another BIG QUESTION post dealing with the Sabbath, but it fits here too well, so I'm going to go with it now.




Disclaimer:  I grew up a Catholic and this is not bashing the people that are.  I have to stick with what I see that are things that are unbiblical, however, and if those things are not in agreement with the bible, I have to say that.

First of all, this keeping the Sabbath must be a pretty important rule to God, as the punishment for not keeping it in the Old Testament is death by stoning.  So...WHEN is the Sabbath and how do you keep it holy?

Many people that love God disagree on this, so it's not exactly an open & shut case.  You can argue it doesn't matter after Christ - Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Also, once Paul heads out to the gentiles in the New Testament, the Sabbath is not mentioned.  More quotes:  

Galatians 4:9–10 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

 
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week [this would be Sunday] we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.

 
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

 
Since Paul designates this offering as "service" (2 Corinthians 9:12 This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God.), this collection must be linked with the Sunday worship during their assembly.  This would date a Sunday gathering of believers back to the 1st century.

Romans 14:5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
So each person decided for themselves?  You can cop out and say that you should worship God every day, not just on the Sabbath.  Now that is true, but it doesn't answer the Sabbath question.

The things referred to above mention gathering, worshipping, etc, but do NOT use the word "Sabbath".  I would think that is important.  In fact, NOWHERE in the bible does it mention anything regarding moving the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.  So When did this change take place?

Fun quotes:

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ’The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.

“I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ’Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says: ’No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.’ And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

Catholics quoted above seem VERY proud of themselves that even though these other sects have broken off, they still observe what Rome says to do.

All of the above seem to make it clear that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday.  How does that sit biblically?
Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”
Not well, it appears.  I can make the case that the Catholic Church is Babylon leading people astray, but that will have to wait for another day - this post is long enough as it is!

Another big point when discussing this is, where exactly does SUNday come from? 

The Romans called the sun god “Mithra” and “Apollo,” and they especially worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” also called “Dies Solis” (Latin), which means, “day of the sun.” The name “Sunday” was adopted “because this day was anciently dedicated to the sun, or to its worship. The first day of the week.” Webster’s Dictionary; 1929 edition.

So - does it sound like you're worshipping God or the Sun on Sunday?

I digress.  Getting back to the original question of the post.  How narrow is narrow?  I think it's fair to easily argue that you MUST follow the commandments if you are to get to Heaven.  From there, you can argue that most people don't keep the Sabbath properly.  That would certainly limit the people to a "fewer".  Not sure we are at "few" yet, but certainly we've taken a great number of people out of the mix with Sabbath worship.

One more large pasasge:  Matthew 19:16-30

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

I'm not sure I have the background to hit all that is covered here, but I'll take a small shot.  First of all, let's say we're keeping the commandments.  Based on the above text, we are not locks to get into Heaven.  Are we then to sell all we have and give it to the poor?  You could argue that.  How far do we go, though.  I have a big screen TV, 2 in fact.  Could I do without them?  Yes.  Will I sell them and give that money away?  Probably not.  Am I going to hell for that?  Maybe.  See where I'm going with all this?

I always thought that the reason so many things are labeled as sins in the bible are so that everyone knows that no one is good enough to enter Heaven based on themselves.  Everyone needs a savior, no matter how "good" you think you are.  Back to the point.  How much do I need to give away?  Everything?
We are all "rich" compared to what people thought about things being like in biblical days.  Then you get to the latter parts of the above text and you see that although it's almost impossible for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, with God it IS possible.

So again I ask, what do we need to do?  This is not an easy question in the least.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

It's not money that is evil, it's the LOVE of money because you then place it above your love of God.

Let's take this already hard question a step further.  Let's say you make $x and give away 95% of it.  Is that good enough (on top of already following the commandments)?  What if you are spending some of that 5% on a nice bronze statue of Venus so that you can worship it?  Obviously that wouldn't cut it either.

1 John 3:17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

Obviously you shouldn't sit there with "extra" money when you see a fellow believer (or anyone for that matter) that is truly in need of help.

In the closing of the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus warns people that claim to know him but of whom he will someday say "I never knew you; depart from me..."

"By their fruits you shall know them" - Can people tell you follow Jesus from the outside if they didn't know you personally?  How many people can really say that truthfully?

I can't, thus I may not be one of the "few".

I pray we can all make our way through the narrow gate and get to where we truly want to be - nothing else matters.  I hope, though God's work, not mine, that I can get there someday; and I hope I can share a laugh or two there with others that I will meet here.

Does the bible IMPLY no extraterrestrial life?

As most of the posts so far have focused on the whole alien/ET thing, let's ask an obvious question.  What does the bible say about life on other planets?  Most people will say it is silent, but I think without coming right out and saying it, it does imply that there is not life on other planets.  Let's look at some verses.

Genesis 1:14-18
¹⁴ And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, ¹⁵ and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. ¹⁶ God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. ¹⁷ God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, ¹⁸ to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 


Psalm 19:1-10
¹ The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. ² Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge. ³ They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them. ⁴ Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,  their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun. ⁵ It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. ⁶ It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth.


Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Romans 1:18-25
¹⁸ The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, ¹⁹ since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. ²⁰ For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.  ²¹ For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. ²² Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ²³ and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵ They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 


I think these speak for themselves, but let's take a look.

The lights (stars/planets) in the sky are there to mark seasons and help astronomically (directions).  The sun and moon are for light to the earth and to separate the light from the dark.  The heavens declare the majesty of God - what a sight it is!  That is their purpose.  It does not say they are there for any other of God's creations.

Ephesians mentions what we are truly at war with - among other things, THE SPIRITUAL FORCES OF EVIL IN THE HEAVENLY REALMS.  Now I will grant you, this is somewhat working in reverse.  It doesn't say there is NOT life out there, but it doesn't say there is, which would be a pretty important point to skip over, don't you think?  On top of that, it DOES say that there are evil things up there.

I find the Romans verses very interesting as well.  People that can't look at that universe and see there is a God behind all of it have no excuse - they should see that.  Brief sidetrack:  I have a question - if the universe is constantly expanding to such a great degree, why can we still calculate times and exact star locations that could be done thousands of years ago?  Basically, why do Keplar's laws exist?  How can they still be true?  Things seem to be pretty stable up there, it seems...but moving on.  It mentions that people think they are so smart, ie there just HAS to be something out there, right?  What does God say?  Although they think they are smart, they are fools.  I find VERY interesting the list of things people have traded God for - images of BIRDS, ANIMALS, and REPTILES.  Now I don't know how much UFO/types of aliens you've read about, but there are supposed to be ones that look like birds, animals, and reptiles.  Coincidence?  I always thought that verse was a little odd, but after filtering it through the whole alien/ET lens, it certainly adds up differently than before.  Oh yeah, it also implies people worship these things.  That will happen soon enough, I believe.

So what's the conclusion?  Although there are no direct quotes saying one way or the other if there is life in outer space, I think there is circumstantial evidence that piles up that implies there is none out there.  Plus, I believe demons are a reasonable explanation to the whole UFO phenomenon.  The true purposes for the things above are given.  When you put it all together, at the very least, it doesn't sound unreasonable for this whole scenario to be plausible.

What do you think?  Am I reading too much into these verses?  Am I nuts?  LOL  Pray for wisdom.

Site 2: www.galacticchannelings.com

I can make this one pretty short.  So this site purports to list messages "channeled" from "alien" beings.  There is one that says he is the dead husband of the person he is sending messages to.  Look, 20 years ago, if anyone mentioned channeling, it would have been automatically classified as occult or demonic.  Now there are "good channellings" from these so called aliens.  


Here is what they have to say about channeling:


There are different ways of channeling. On this site we focus on channelings with ET beings, or in the case of Suzy and Matthew Ward, the channeling of a mother with the spirit of her departed son in Nirvana (Heaven).

In order to channel, the medium usually doesn't have to go into a deep trance state, or surrender their body and/or mind to the entity. They just focus their senses and attention on the entity they are channeling. But there are also channelings where the soul or spirit of the medium either steps aside or leaves the body. This makes room for the other energy to enter and use the body for a specific period of time. This shift of energy can take seconds or minutes, and those capable of seeing auras, can see the shift.

Some people fear channeling because they don’t understand the process, or they think that a negative or dark entity can come in. But the channeler always has the choice of who or what they want to channel. The channeler can insist knowing the name and origins of any entity who wants to communicate with them. 


As I'm sure most would agree - complete drivel!  As opposed to some of the other sites, this one does reference God and love, being "beings of light".  All of the usual new age garbage is spewed here.  Many messages from spaceships and such.  The ascension is on the way, yada yada yada - you know the drill.


As with other sites, they say these big changes are imminent - within the year, it seems.  That's one other things I've noticed - no matter what the source/website, they are all predicting things to be happening in a very short amount of time.


As in most channeling situations, I would have to believe these are demonic entities playing with the feelings of the people here to believe in anything but Jesus Christ.  Demons know your background and know enough to make you believe they are a dead relative - don't be fooled.


This kind of thing relates to any "vision" that some people may even believe are "from God".  Things such as visions of the Virgin Mary, that people then create a shrine or a church to in that location and then pray to.  Wouldn't Satan love for you to pray to an idol rather than God?  How convenient!  That leads into a whole Catholic Church discussion, but that's for another day.


Much of the messages here are telling people to "prepare" for the coming ascension/whatever, but, as always, you had better be sure what you're following when your eternal soul is on the line!  Don't be fooled - this is just more propaganda to lead you away from the light.  Repent and turn back to Jesus before it's too late.


As I mentioned in a previous post - what do you think?  Should a Christian not even look at information that is obviously from the enemy camp?  Can you tread cautiously to see what they're up to?   What if that means being able to reach even one person and turn them from the mistake they are making?  Tough question, I think, but for now I'm on the side of following it and going to "where the sinners are" to try to lead people out.   I only pray someone will listen.

First Site: Zetas and poleshift.ning.com

http://poleshift.ning.com/  and the associated site: http://www.zetatalk.com

This site, with information given to by alien "zetas" tells of how many people on earth are near their cataclysmic end via pole shift.  Here is a list of the sequence of events that is to unfold: http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blogs/7-of-10-sequence?xg_source=activity .

Now, I'm not saying I disbelive everything...in fact, things may be 95% correct - I don't really know.  I'll give my full thoughts at the end of the post, but for now just want to tell you what the site purports to say is happening...and by whom.

So, who are the zetas?  "The "Zetas" are a alien species, originating from the zeta reticuli star system and inform mankind about the coming earth changes."

They use Nancy Lieder (http://www.zetatalk.com/nancybio.htm) to communicate through.  The summary of the pole shift is given here: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p00.htm - tell me if anyone else thinks this sounds AWFULLY close to what is written in the bible of the end days.

There is a TREMENDOUS amount of information on the site.  You can literally search for almost any topic and get the "zetas" take on it.  From the JFK assassination (he was killed because, of course, he was about to make the alien presence known!) to cities on the moon (http://www.zetatalk3.com/worlds/w26.htm).

I mean almost ANYTHING...molecular structures, photons, etc.  In many cases these are VERY detailed explanations, too.  Who could have such knowledge?  (more on that in a few minutes).  Here is their list of their accurate predictions: http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword232.htm

So the short story is that Planet X is swooping though our neck of the woods and will pull on earth's poles creating plate movements and earthquakes, the earth will sway, make the rotation of the earth stop for a few days, culminating in a pole shift that will occur in a very short time.  It has many 
of the alien "vibration" and "ascension" talk associated with this end as well.  They also tell of the "aftertime" after the pole shift occurs.  You can read all of these things at your liesure whenever you want.

My question is, what is really going on here?

First, my general take.  "Aliens" are really fallen angels/demons.  They, like God, live outside of time, thus know future events (the future as we see it).  They also have almost as much knowledge as God, thus could answer almost any question in a scientific way or a way that would be "above" you mere humans to understand".

I think that's what we have going on here.  Maybe these really are the list of things that are going to happen.  They really do describe things that certainly appear to be written about in the bible.  

Matthew 24:21-22:  21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.  22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Isaiah 24
1 See, the LORD is going to lay waste the earth and devastate it; he will ruin its face and scatter its inhabitants

 18 Whoever flees at the sound of terror will fall into a pit; whoever climbs out of the pit will be caught in a snare. The floodgates of the heavens are opened, the foundations of the earth shake. 19 The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken. 20 The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again.  21 In that day the LORD will punish the powers in the heavens above and the kings on the earth below. 22 They will be herded together like prisoners bound in a dungeon; they will be shut up in prison and be punished[a] after many days. 23 The moon will be dismayed, the sun ashamed; for the LORD Almighty will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, and before its elders—with great glory. 

Isaiah chapter 13 (TEV)
10 Every star and every constellation will stop shining, the sun will be dark when it rises, and the moon will give no light. 11 The Lord says, "I will bring disaster on the earth and punish all wicked people for their sins. I will humble everyone who is proud and punish everyone who is arrogant and cruel. 12 Those who survive will be scarcer than gold. 13 I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place on that day when I, the Lord Almighty, show my anger.

Zephaniah chapter 1 (TEV)

15 It will be a day of fury, a day of trouble and distress, a day of ruin and destruction, a day of darkness and gloom, a black and cloudy day, 16 a day filled with the sound of war trumpets and the battle cry of soldiers attacking fortified cities and high towers. 17 The Lord says, "I will bring such disasters on the human race that everyone will grope about like someone blind. They have sinned against me, and now their blood will be poured out like water, and their dead bodies will lie rotting on the ground." 18 On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end-a sudden end-to everyone who lives on earth.

Cautionary note: on this website, the bible can be referenced in passing, at times, but if you really quote much from it, you will have your posting deleted (mine was gone in less than a minute!) by the nazi moderators there (http://poleshift.ning.com/profiles/blog/introduction-for-new-members-1).  Do NOT bash the zetas in any way shape or form...or lead someone to the REAL truth seems to be the only rules.

What disturbs me the most is the people that follow along.  Many of them will reference "God" and praying for others there, while they are blindly following what these "aliens" are telling them.  Oh yeah, for people from distant planets, they seem to find it awfully important to say that God, as you know it, doesn't exist.

In a somewhat humorous finding, they also seem to get testy when talking about republicans.  Why?  I have no idea.  Maybe because they tend to be church-going believers in God?  Who knows.  You will definitely see it if you read enough.

Each week there is a Q&A in which you can submit a question and if Nancy deems it worthy, she will ask the zetas and get back the following week.  Again, there really is a LOT of information and detail here.  I believe only an angelic being can know such things.

So what do you think?  Is their scenario (of pole shift, not the vibration and ascension garbage) plausible?  Do you think it sounds like some of the end time events written of in the bible?  I think it is, and they do.  I would love to be able to reach some of the people there that
believe in God, yet are following this.  Assuming there are demons - what would they do in order to convince you to follow them?  Give you a ton of truth but a few lies?  Sounds like their MO to me.  The problem is that the few things that may be lies are the things that matter the most - like about God and Jesus.

Even if this is the scenario written of in the bible of the end times, Jesus can save you from all of it.  Choose Him and escape all of these things.  He is the way, the truth, and the light.   Follow HIM, not these clowns.

Ancient Aliens - What is going on?

There are/have been weird goings on in the world - especially as of late.  There were many odd things happening a long time ago as well.  Is it possible these things could be related?  I think so.  Sorry for the vagueness, but I am talking about things from lights in the sky to monolithic structures of old to crazy weather.  As someone who is trying to study all of this, I have used various websites in which to conduct my research - which is the reason for this blog in the first place.  I am visiting sites on all parts of the spectrum: from sites I believe to be inspired by God and have messages from Him in them to sites that I'm very sure are demon-inspired and have their "messages" as well.

One thing I debate with myself all of the time is whether or not I should even be looking at things I believe to be of an occult or demonic source.  At this point in time I feel that it's my job to try to figure it all out, and if I can get the enemy's playbook, and see what they are saying/planning, it puts me one step ahead of the game.  I try to use as much caution as I can, as it is easy to be deceived by their teachings.  I will get more into this in future posts, but I believe by looking at both sides, I can get a very clear picture of what is going on - especially when they agree.

Without going into specific websites quite yet, I think I need to give my viewpoint about the whole alien thing.  To say there are no such things or to ignore the information out there is pretty fool-hearty if you ask me.  This has potential everlasting  consequences - you had better be right.  Before I quite get to that, let's visit The History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" series.  Frankly, I think it's impossible to look at all of the evidence an conclude there are no such entities out there.

There is so much evidence in ancient writings, pictures, carvings, cave drawings, etc to write it off as some delusion - especially if you compare them to modern "alien" images.  Please watch the show if you haven't already.  Shockingly, I think the show actually got right to the edge of the right conclusion, but then looked at it the wrong way.  They got to the point of saying what people used to refer to as angels are the same as what we would today call aliens.  I completely agree!  The problem is that they take the view that what people used to think were angels were actually aliens.  They don't even mention or consider the other view, which I believe, that is what people now think are aliens are actually angels - fallen angels, but angels, nonetheless.  Today's "aliens" when compared to yesterday's "angels" are one in the same.  Look at how these aliens are communicated with - it is channeling - just like demons of the occult.  More on this in an upcoming post.

So that's our basis to start the conversation.  Upcoming posts will be about specific websites and what they are trying to get you to believe.  Again, you had better be really sure about what you think because the consequences of being wrong are eternal.  The good news?  Jesus Christ has died for your sins and by his blood you can be cleansed to spend eternity with Him.  Don't follow after or worship demonic spirits.  Even if you don't think that's what they are - you had better be 100% sure before you follow them.  After seeing all of the evidence, I don't see how you can be 100% sure of that.  I pray that those that believe in the alien help/agenda will see the light and turn away from these evil entities before it's too late.  Seek the true light.

My main question to others on this post is, what do you think about looking at information that is coming from a demonic source?  Should we not even go there?  Or are there important things to learn (to help others see the light) and it is worth gaining that knowledge, just be very careful treading down that path?  Like I said, I keep going back and forth myself.